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gamerguy757
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So I made a post about never getting SS in ROTW boxes. But after looking at it...how does it REALLY stack up against BSW?
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SirAndy
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✭✭✭✭✭gamerguy757 wrote: »
Is Spell Strategist THAT GOOD?
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Viserys_Varanis
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It is THAT GOOD
...at filling my pockets with gold.
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themaddaedra
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✭I think it differs on what terms u r asking. For endgame players, 2k more dps over their 50k is worth a lot, but for average player 1k over their 25k dips might not mean too much. Also consider that endgamers (mostly) value single target dps over aoe. There's nothing you can't achieve without Spell Strategist.
The rarity is the real answer to the price tho. I earned approx 8m AP (400 RftW boxes) since Murkmire release and got nothing but 2 blue rings and 2 divines pieces. Some got an inferno in their 3rd box and hit the jackpot
Edited by themaddaedra on November 24, 2018 10:51PM
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gamerguy757
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themaddaedra wrote: »
I think it differs on what terms u r asking. For endgame players, 2k more dps over their 50k is worth a lot, but for average player 1k over their 25k dips might not mean too much. Also consider that endgamers (mostly) value single target dps over aoe. There's nothing you can't achieve without Spell Strategist.
The rarity is the real answer to the price tho. I earned approx 8m AP (400 RftW boxes) since Murkmire release and got nothing but 2 blue rings and 2 divines pieces. Some got an inferno in their 3rd box and hit the jackpot
Im an end game player and I use BSW on pretty all my Mag DPS. So really SS isn't worth it?
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themaddaedra
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✭gamerguy757 wrote: »
themaddaedra wrote: »
I think it differs on what terms u r asking. For endgame players, 2k more dps over their 50k is worth a lot, but for average player 1k over their 25k dips might not mean too much. Also consider that endgamers (mostly) value single target dps over aoe. There's nothing you can't achieve without Spell Strategist.
The rarity is the real answer to the price tho. I earned approx 8m AP (400 RftW boxes) since Murkmire release and got nothing but 2 blue rings and 2 divines pieces. Some got an inferno in their 3rd box and hit the jackpot
Im an end game player and I use BSW on pretty all my Mag DPS. So really SS isn't worth it?
Can't speak for you bud ^^ It adds a lil more single target and it takes a lil from aoe, and it's expensive. Your budget, your build
I myself already bought inferno and golded jewellery, but i got more than enough money and 2k more single target is worth that money for me. PC|EU
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erlewine
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It's overrated. There aren't many fights in the game where it's best.
eisley the worst
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Thrain
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In my opinion
Its better for single target
If you dont care about like 2k dps more at single target then just keep using bsw^^Gatviper
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And then next update ZoS comes and puts down the Hammer of Nerf on Spell Strategist, and the forum will be filled again with people crying how their new op set got trashed.
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frostz417
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✭✭Gatviper wrote: »
And then next update ZoS comes and puts down the Hammer of Nerf on Spell Strategist, and the forum will be filled again with people crying how their new op set got trashed.
Just like mechanical acuity
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tactx
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Yea exactly. Anything THAT good will get nerfed into oblivion so it's definitely not worth changing everything for it.
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D0PAMINE
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✭✭Im fine with Julianos, War Maiden and Skoria for my Magplar. Im not spending the gold.
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✭✭frostz417 wrote: »
Gatviper wrote: »
And then next update ZoS comes and puts down the Hammer of Nerf on Spell Strategist, and the forum will be filled again with people crying how their new op set got trashed.
Just like mechanical acuity
Yeah but MA still reks
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MLGProPlayer
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✭✭✭✭✭It blows BSW away. The only set that can compete with it is Siroria.
Let's break it down by spell damage:
SS = 858 effective spell damage
BSW @ 60% uptime (which is extremely generous) = 544 effective spell damage
BSW also gives you +4.5% crit chance, but that doesn't overcome the ~300 spell damage deficit.
Edited by MLGProPlayer on November 25, 2018 3:33AM
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MLGProPlayer
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✭✭✭✭✭erlewine wrote: »
It's overrated. There aren't many fights in the game where it's best.
Only 95% of endgame boss fights.
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MLGProPlayer
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✭✭✭✭✭Gatviper wrote: »
And then next update ZoS comes and puts down the Hammer of Nerf on Spell Strategist, and the forum will be filled again with people crying how their new op set got trashed.
I imagine it's getting nerfed Q1 (MA was nerfed the next over patch too). ZOS is fine with using SS as a temporary gold sink.
Edited by MLGProPlayer on November 25, 2018 3:35AM
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Kadoin
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✭✭It's only good if you can keep it up. Good luck doing that in PvP with all the lag, bugs, etc. where the set was actually designed to work...
I honestly swapped the set out because requiring a light attack for full power is so wasteful in PvP. I like my damage consistent, predictable, and most of all constant. That wasn't happening for me and how I play, so it turned out to be worthless for me.
If you want to see if you can use it, then simply buy armor pieces or do pvp and get some (very easy). Don't be an idiot and waste all your gold on a staff... I got armor pieces for 3000G total.
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temjiu
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...If your running progression content with your guild, and spend the bulk of your time in that environment,
...If your already within 95% of your potential skill cap with your build,
...If your team is already well synergized so that teamwork and communication aren't holding group DPS behind,
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SS is worth it.If you don't meet all 3 criteria, then don't bother. it's allot of $$ for something that could easily get nerfed w/i a few months.
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GO STRAT OR GO CRY
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Mr_Walker
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✭✭✭✭It does an extra 23dps, so I simply must have it.
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NinchiTV
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For pvp, yes. But it makes you chose if the other set is going to be sustain or mitigation. I havent made a build that can balance around SS very well, at least in magsorc. A magnb could probably get away with it a lot easier. Its really powerful if you want to go full range and just blast people.
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Hotdog_23
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✭✭Personally I'm tired od chasing new BIS every 3 months only for a little more DPS. BSW is fine for me so no SS is not worth it to at least.
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Jamdarius
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gamerguy757 wrote: »
So I made a post about never getting SS in ROTW boxes. But after looking at it...how does it REALLY stack up against BSW?
It's good on 1 vs 1 situations... Oh and for target dummy heroes. Preffer my good old BSW/ Siroria is situational in more static combat where you do not need to run like stupid and instead just stand still (for example never take siroria for the Asylum trial).
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✭Over hyped and massively overrated. But if people want to pay silly money to get pieces ASAP instead of waiting that’s on them lol
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WuffyCerulei
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✭✭✭It's good for single target fights, as you can get a 100% up time on it. But for fights that require aoe on multiple enemies, BSW would be better as it would affect your actual spell damage.
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✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
erlewine wrote: »
It's overrated. There aren't many fights in the game where it's best.
Only 95% of endgame boss fights.
Name a boss you don't need cleave on besides crag trials?
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WuffyCerulei
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✭✭✭Dymence wrote: »
MLGProPlayer wrote: »
erlewine wrote: »
It's overrated. There aren't many fights in the game where it's best.
Only 95% of endgame boss fights.
Name a boss you don't need cleave on besides crag trials?
vMaw, vCR (depending), the last boss in vHoF, vAS+O.
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Mechanical Acuity was usable in pretty much all situations against even multiple targets and on both stamina and magicka which made it way more OP than spell strategist. That being said I wouldn't be surprised if they bring it more in line with scathing and BSW.
Relequen is quite similar by providing massive single target DPS, but we can assume that that won't be changed since it's a chapter set and people pay money for that. Siroria and Olorime are also pretty OP, but same deal there.
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Gatviper
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NupidStoob wrote: »
Relequen is quite similar by providing massive single target DPS, but we can assume that that won't be changed since it's a chapter set and people pay money for that. Siroria and Olorime are also pretty OP, but same deal there.
They've trashed Maelstrom Arena destro staves, they used to have 270 or so spell damage at all times as a unique enchant on them, which made them back then the weapon of choice. Now all they got is the bonus to damage of elemental blockade.
Edited by Gatviper on November 25, 2018 11:29AM
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ATomiX96
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✭super overhyped set, just good in dueling environment... and for the target dummy
Edited by ATomiX96 on November 25, 2018 3:26PM
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✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »
Dymence wrote: »
MLGProPlayer wrote: »
erlewine wrote: »
It's overrated. There aren't many fights in the game where it's best.
Only 95% of endgame boss fights.
Name a boss you don't need cleave on besides crag trials?
vMaw, vCR (depending), the last boss in vHoF, vAS+O.
You need cleave on all of those except vAS+0
vMoL first boss panthers, second boss black/white adds, last boss hulks/assassins depending on HM or not
Last boss vHoF fabricant spawns
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